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Do improved graphics outweigh unreliability?

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Red Ring of Death

My wife bought me the PlayStation 3 Collector's Edition of Resident Evil 5 on the day it came out. She knew that I hadn't yet decided which system I wanted the game for, and that I might end up trading it out, but she figured it would be a nice surprise to bring it home on release day anyway. (And yes, it was a really great surprise.)

The crux of my indecision came down to deciding between better graphics on a crappier system or slightly worse graphics on a more reliable system. My wife warned me that I might regret getting the 360 version if the system died. But my 360 (my second console after my first died over a year ago) had been pretty stable for a while without any problems.

I eventually decided to go with the 360 version because of the marginally better graphics and (somewhat importantly) the fact that inventory management in split-screen co-op mode is easier on the 360. So we swapped out the PS3 version and started playing. Everything was going fantastically until the unthinkable happened. At this point, it should be pretty obvious where I'm going with this, but I'll press on with the story.

About two thirds of the way into playing Resident Evil 5, my 360 froze. I turned off the system and tried to turn it back on, only to see three flashing red lights. It was horrible. The middle of a Saturday that we had specifically set aside for playing the game, and the system died! Maybe this was some sort of cosmic punishment for gambling on the 360 version. Whatever it was, it certainly sucked. And it reminded me again of just how shoddy Microsoft's system really is. I knew that it was shoddy based on the fact that I had already had one system die on me. But enough time had passed that this knowledge had become an abstraction. I had tricked myself into thinking that I had found a good stable console that would last me for years. Not so. Perhaps the only lesson here is that when it comes to the 360 it is not a question of if the console will die, but when.

As I type, my 360 is on its way to the repair center in Texas, hopefully to be replaced by one of the newer and supposedly RRoD-resistant models, if such a fabled creature actually exists. I guess I haven't learned my lesson yet, however, because I'm still keeping my 360 copy of Resident Evil 5 on the chance that my next console will succeed where others have failed.

Am I being foolish? Should the PS3's stability outweigh my desire for marginally better graphics when it comes to Resident Evil 5?

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Platform(s): Xbox 360   PS3  
Developer(s): Capcom  
Series: Resident Evil  
Genre(s): Shooting   Horror  

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Why wait when you can play now? Details inside!

Slightly prettier graphics for a game you might be able to play versus a very slight graphical downgrade and being able to play the game when you want at any time with no worries? Really? I'd take reliability any day over slightly better looking wooden huts.

Another thing to think about would be if the 360's warranty wasn't extended for three years and every time it broke down you had to pay money to get it fixed, would reliability be such a small factor to you?You wouldn't buy a car that had a low reliability rating (unless you have tons of money or something) so why bother with such a problem child as the 360?

Although I haven't bought a

Although I haven't bought a 360 or PS3 yet, I know it will be a PS3 once the opportunity roles around. I continue to be surprised by how much support the 360 garners despite its horrid reliability issues. It DOES have some great games and awesome online support, so perhaps many gamers are willing to overlook the hardware faults.

My question is this: What message are we sending console manufacturers, specifically Microsoft, when we continue to purchase products regardless of their quality? Even though this RRoD debacle is costing Microsoft loads of money, I don't see gamers' faith in the company swaying. It has almost become a rite of passage, an event to anticipate and accept rather than avoid: your 360 will die. Unless we start voicing our displeasure and avoiding the product, don't expect Microsoft to test the heck out of its next console.

yes.

I played through the ps3 version only, so I can't say for sure how good they look side by side in motion, but from the 720p comparison screens I saw it was a fucking joke how similar they looked. The only thing noted by an IGN comparison was that in the ps3 version there were occasional framerate dips and shadow banding at points (notably the scene where you're being chased by motorcycles). So yes, if these are the reasons behind you're decision to bail on reliability, you are foolish.

The problem with calling YOU foolish is that apparently people aren't "tolerating" lack of trophy support anymore with new games, which means you may be the sanest of all the h-core gaymers out there. Are you kidding me? Trophy support? Have you seen the trophies? 99.9% are like congratulations for beating level 1 or HEY you just killed a thousand enemies! With this is mind, me calling you a fool somehow makes me feel like I'm in the twilight zone.

The only justifiable reason for gambling on the xbox 360 is because you want to save 200 and don't mind the inevitable hassle of getting a free replacement system, in which case it's not a gamble, it's an educated decision.

hmm i wonder...

to me it comes down to the fact that anything that costs more in live is more reliable,except for like those gold and diamond jewelery but any way i love my ps3,bit glitchy every once in a while but i only bought one xbox 360 and never again haha my first batch xbox original is still going,which is either really bad or really good after it outlasted my 360 by about 9 years i think

It not really a question of

It not really a question of when you 360 will die either. We already know. Your 360 will last 13 - 16 months.

I was just saying earlier in another place, that there was a time when I didn't know anyone who was still using their first 360, now I don't know anyone who is still using their 2nd 360.

Thing is, the 360 version of

Thing is, the 360 version of RE5 does not have marginally better graphics

Thing is, the 360 version of

Thing is, the 360 version of RE5 does not have marginally better graphics It's the exact same game, may it be a little darker on the 360 (which is the only difference). So yes, you're foolish to take your chances and possibly waste 60 dollars because you have the delusion that it looks better on 360.

do improved graphics outweigh reliability?

I own all 3 consoles (incl. a refurbished 360):
although your 360 breakdown was recent, it is quite likely to have been an earlier model...some games appear to cause the 360 to generate more heat than others... I have played Fable 2, Fallout 3 (and DLC content) Call of Duty: World at War... without any problems.

Personally I am glad that you will persevere and give a late-model 360 a chance...
according to Metacritic scores, the 360 has more of the top-rated games than any other system...
so i think you will find that your patience is rewarded.

My PS3 is used mainly for movies -- and it does a good job. But even though I have bought every raved-about PS3 game released in the last year... i have not found one that really grabbed me (perhaps because I have two other systems to choose from). I have yet to find a PS3 game that matched the imaginative grandeur of Bioshock...which I got to play several times over on the 360 before a port was made for PS3. I like the DLC of GTA-4; and Fallout 3... nowhere in sight for PS3.

Of course I wish that the 360 had had better quality control from the outset... but I think one
should look at the big picture before judging a system. As far as I know, late models of 360 are fine...

I am mystified by your

I am mystified by your "marginally better graphics" comment. I compared both versions when the demos first appeared. The demos use final code so no excuse there. I set up the same scenes in the demos and then flipped back and forth on a Sony 52 inch XBR. The 360, if anything, appeared slightly blurry. Where as the PS3 was crisper. Colorwise they were very close. I have the PS3 version in retail and have since gone back and loaded the same level as the 360 demo and cannot find anything that would have promoted a 360 version for the sake of "marginally better graphics".

The PS3 and 360 versions

The PS3 and 360 versions look almost identical. I bought the PS3 version because I trust the reliability and have way more hardcore RE4 fans on my PSN list and heard too many people from the 360 demo complaining about the controls (clearly showing me they didn't play RE4 on GC or PS2). Easy choice for me.

I'm on my very 1st elite

I'm on my very 1st elite from it's launch and on my second ps3 which i had for 8 months.

lucky you. or not.

we all know the 360 has a failure rate of more than 30% while the ps3 is less than 3%, so you're just lucky. or unlucky, that might be.. ;)

whats the point of getting a

whats the point of getting a game with better graphics if you cant fucking play it.

OWNED!!!

get the ps3 version and then add me. PSN = Chippendale666

there is no difference

ok people, really, what the h3ll. are you guys to DUMB to see? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN GRAPHICS. OMG. the only real differnce is maybe one system is brighter than teh oteh rin some games, or the colour might be a tad different. liek come on!! i just went on google and looekd at the comparison of RE5 on ps3/xbox, and u know what!?!?!?!? PS3 HAD A SLIGHTLY DARKER BRIGHTNESS. first of all, that would add to the game for me personnaly, it being a survival horror game, and second, u could quite easily make the ps3 verion the exact same as xbox by fiddling round with the tv settings. sorry for the long post, but this is liek the 20th time ive heard this

inuksuit

Dunno if I'm the first to point it out to you, but you have no taste in games.
If you've bought every noteworthy game to come to the PS3 and havent liked any of them, you obviously have no taste in quality games. Except bioshock.. maybe its the exception to the rule.

AS far as this article goes, it has flamebait written all over it.
PS3 fanboys come to gloat at rrod, 360 fanboys come to gloat about graphics. Sad

your a tool if you think the

your a tool if you think the graphics really are better, lol, lol... such a pointless article. so sick of these

I buy all multiplat games

I buy all multiplat games for PS3. 360 ONLY for exclusives.

the fact that you have such

the fact that you have such deep feelings for a piece of plastic that you feel you have to lobby for sales, are u on payroll, is very sad, you should get a life sometime soon.

i have a 360 for a while now

i have a 360 for a while now and nothing has happened. I just keep it in the basment next to the water hummidifier twhere it is cold so it does not overheat. I have resi 5 for it and it looks beautiful and runs smoothly. My friend who has it for the ps3 looks a little worse and sometimes lags. All of my friends are still on their first 360.

I had both consoles but the

I had both consoles but the stupid ps3 when I was playing Motorstorm froze. I turned it of and to my surprise all my memory was gone. I thappenned to many of my friends too whith not only Motorstorm but even resi 5. This issue i find is much worse than the red ring of death for the 360 because you still have your memory and you do not have to pay anymore. My 360 never froze on me once neither with my friends.

"I have bought every

"I have bought every raved-about PS3 game released in the last year... i have not found one that really grabbed me"
did you play uncharted? an instant classic... biggest surprise this generation if not the best game (in my opinion it is)

hey, i think you

hey, i think you overexagerated here. i mean 360 an ps3 graphics are the same the only difference is that the 360 vertion looks a little crisper than the ps3 so we can actually says that the 360 versions haver better VISUALS rather than slightly better graphics. now, do you really trade reliability for visuals?

I dont own xbox360. I dont

I dont own xbox360.
I dont think I need to comment on the graphic bs I've played it on the xbox and the ps see no diffrence. All I can say my ps3 have only frozen 2 times both times in GTA4 rock solid ever since bought it summer 2007 60gb model. I enjoyed res 5 very much my friend and I played it coop first play through very fun never lagged or froze cant say anything bad about it.
Only 2 of my friends have xbox 360. One of them is on his second xbox which now has problem reading discs and the other one was on his second xbox when it fell down (it was standing upwards) 15 minutes after he bought his copy of Soul Calibur 4 and it fucked up the disc so bad I couldn't do anything but laugh. He sold the xbox and bought ps3 and we have been enjoying it since then playing online ;D

360 all the way...

... And I've had seven since launch. I own both consoles and don't care about marginal graphical differences BUT the fact I can play co op online and actually have a clear conversation with my friends is the deal maker for me. I love my PS3 but the voice quality combined with the fact most PS3 guys don't seem to use a mic kills the system online imo!

notice how its the ps3 users

notice how its the ps3 users on here making comments of how the 360 isn't so great even though most issues have been resolved with the 360 at this point in time, while the 360 users are busy enjoying their systems. ps3 is a great system but i'll be damned if anyone who has one uses it to its full potential, that and the fact that the ps3's nowadays screw their uses out of all its potential unlike the older version

Actually all the players in

Actually all the players in played with in res5 have had mics except the japanese ones, 1 had quite funny ^^

The 360, if anything,

The 360, if anything, appeared slightly blurry. Where as the PS3 was crisper.
LOL LOL LOL
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/face-off-resident-evil-5-article
Capcom's Framework MT engine uses some very useful tricks in maintaining image quality. It runs at native 720p, and employs the use of full-on 4x multisampling anti-aliasing on Xbox 360, while using the 2x Quincunx technique on PS3. On a like-for-like basis, this means that the 360 has clearer visuals (2x QAA blurs every texture) but edge-smoothing is very similar

While the overall look of the game is very close on both machines, the Xbox 360 version wins out with the inclusion of a bit more bling for your money. The most dramatic example of this kicks in on the third chapter, which takes place on a series of small islands in the middle of marshland.

As you might expect, the water is a key element of this particular stage and you'll note that the PS3 version of Resident Evil 5 is flatter and duller, with fewer reflections. The Xbox 360 version on the hand has full world reflections, making this stage in particular rather more attractive than its counterpart on the Sony platform. It's a similar compromise to that seen on the PS3 version of Fallout 3, where once again 360 has more detailed and realistic water reflections.

Also evident is that the Xbox 360 version has more in the way of incidental particle effects and transparent alpha textures (i.e. smoke). For example, in the main video edit you saw how Chris Redfield takes down a speeding lorry that's hurtling towards him. On 360, there are friction-esque sparks and a proper exploding windscreen that you don't see on PS3.

The Xbox 360 game has the odd bit of screen tear, but its impact on the image quality is not a big deal, and more importantly, it makes for a smoother, more playable game

In terms of just why Xbox 360 has the edge technically, it seems to be all come down to the set-up of the graphics hardware. Capcom itself rates the triple-core Xenon CPU as being about equal to a dual-core 3.2GHz Pentium 4 Extreme Edition CPU. Not a bad processor as such, but no match for the raw computational power of Cell. However, Capcom has made extensive use of the 10MB of 'EDRAM' that is directly attached to the Xenos GPU in order to maximise its visual effects. With virtually unlimited bandwidth, effects can be processed enormously quickly. The Cell/RSX combo doesn't this advantage, although ironically, the PS2's graphics synthesiser does - one of the reasons why full software emulation of the older console is difficult on the PlayStation 3.

What is clear is that while first-party developers are pushing the Sony hardware to new graphical heights for this generation, third-party multi-format game-makers are still having issues replicating Xbox 360 performance. That we should see this from a developer as accomplished as Capcom, whose home market sales are so reliant on PS3, is both surprising and a touch disappointing.

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I bought the 360 on it's release, and the first thing I noticed was how hot the console got after about 2 hours use.
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My friend's 360 broke down a week before mine did, and I told him about the intercooler. He didn't buy one at first after getting his back. But two weeks later just after getting his 360 back it broke again. Meanwhile, my 360 was back in action again.
He bought one (intercooler) after that, and since then he also hasn't had a problem since.
If MS had recommended this device to users at the time as a solution to the RROD problem. This alone would have solved about 85% of the heating issues. I sure of it!
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Thanks again

Maybe...

... You should learn to write in english instead of playing video games lol!

ivar wrote:

Actually all the players in played with in res5 have had mics except the japanese ones, 1 had quite funny ^^

fu

HAHA fuck you :D not gonna make any excuses but here is what I meant. Actually all the players I've played online with in Res 5 have had mics except the japanese. One japanese player had mic though, it was quite funny ^^

hope this fills the crack in your heart ;>

Yeah, relying on the 360 is rough.

I hate that I have to play everything on the 360 (my disc drive is almost dead - the install function kind of saved my life), but I'm forced to by PS3's ridiculous insistence on not releasing a wired controller.

Wireless signals burn my hands, and while I can get a simple workaround using a PS2 controller, that means I can't use motion controls or quit games without turning off the system.

It would kill them to just pull the bluetooth out of one of those things and slap on a USB cable?

Maybe next time you'll

Maybe next time you'll listen to your wife!

RE: Graphics comparison

I guess I should elaborate a little more on why I think the 360 version of RE5 looks better than the PS3 version. I should note that I have played all the way through the PS3 version and more than half way through the 360 version, so I've spent a fair amount of time with both.
On an objective level, the 360 version appears slightly crisper than the PS3 version, and the framerate is slightly better as well. These aren't huge issues, but they still exist.
On a subjective level, I prefer the deeper black levels on the 360 version. The blacks feels slightly washed out in the PS3 version. This is more a matter of personal preference.

Most people wouldn't really notice these things (and if they did, they probably wouldn't care), but I can be kind of nitpicky with these things, and given the choice I would choose to have the best experience possible. Obviously if the 360 is broken, then I can't experience it at all, but provided it is working and the game is saved to the hard drive (to minimize noise), I think the 360 is the better version. It all just depends on where your priorities are when it comes to graphics versus reliability.

rofl

Anonymous wrote:

ok people, really, what the h3ll. are you guys to DUMB to see? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN GRAPHICS. OMG. the only real differnce is maybe one system is brighter than teh oteh rin some games, or the colour might be a tad different. liek come on!! i just went on google and looekd at the comparison of RE5 on ps3/xbox, and u know what!?!?!?!? PS3 HAD A SLIGHTLY DARKER BRIGHTNESS. first of all, that would add to the game for me personnaly, it being a survival horror game, and second, u could quite easily make the ps3 verion the exact same as xbox by fiddling round with the tv settings. sorry for the long post, but this is liek the 20th time ive heard this

lol u is liek bad boy init... English not going well school m8 hahaha ??

Ive had both systems and played the game on both. There is no diffrence at all really. The game is a bad ass game though....
I recently ditched the 360, really didnt want any of the hassle and b******t of it going all red on me. :)

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